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Government & Righteous Leadership
Thus says the LORD: "Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’ – Jeremiah 6:16
Government is a God-ordained institution. As long as it governs according to God’s Word for God’s glory, it is a minister, a deacon and servant of God. Yet, that does not mean a wicked man elected to government office is able to lead a people justly before, and pleasing to, God. An unregenerate man, trusting in Satanic deceptions and worshiping the false god (s) of his false religion, is incapable of leading a people justly down right paths before God, for he, being dead in sin, is at enmity towards God and His people; his spiritual foundations are 100% hostile towards God and Christianity.
And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. – Hebrews 11:6
5 Pt. Salt 
I have never been a Romney supporter, but I was one of those who thought “I’m not electing him to teach Sunday school.” But as I read post after post in recent weeks on the Biblical criterion of what a ruler should be, I was reminded that the President should be someonew who can acknowledge Christ’s authority over his office and our nation. I realized that neither of the major candidates qualify. Neither Romney nor Obama have a true idea of who Christ is and thus are unsuitable to lead our nation. Neither would lead us anyplace we would want to go.Thank you for another reminder of why I will not be voting for either of them.
Have you considered that Nero was the Emperor when Paul wrote, “The authorities that exist are ordained by God and he is a servant of God. . . .?”
Joel, I confess, I am a little perplexed by your cumulative posts relating to this issue. We all know neither Romney or Obama is a Christian. That leaves us four choices, essentially. (1) Vote for the non-Christian more conservative Romney. (2) Vote for the non-Christian liberal, socialist Obama. (3)Vote for some 3rd party canidate who NO chance to win under any circumstances. (4) Not vote.
I get it, Romney is not a Christian. Mormonism is hostile to the true God and His gospel. That’s crystal clear. Obama give no evidence of saving faith, and his religious world view is suspicious and overly sympathetic to Islam. Mr. Berry in the comment above mine seems to draw the conclusion you apppear to – don’t vote. Frankly this polyanish approach leaves me scratching my head.
Suppose I was compelled to a choice between enduring the wrath of a man who was going to rob me, break my arm and say bad things about my Mama – or – a man who was going to slit my throat, murder my children, raze my house and church and drown one thousand newborn babies in toilets. So with that contrast in mind – I put it to you – whence this notion that we must find parity between Obama and Romney sufficient to think the high spiritual ground for Christians is to turn up our noses, straighten our powdered wigs and say “hurumph! – I will not vote!”
Unless and until you make a case that persuades me that voting for a non-Christian is ipso facto a sin, I will remain unconvinced. I wish the Republicans had another canidate, I truly do. I wish I had a million dollars..I wish I could read Greek..I wish I could preach like Spurgeon…I wish I had a handle on eschatology…I wish the Cowboys had a good football team…..I wish I was as smart as…you!! But……
No one said not to vote David. No one here said they would not vote, and no case is being made here to convince you not to vote.
Joel, I will take you at your word that is so. That being the case, who DO you advocate voting for?
Joel, am I sensing a bit of obscurantism here? Is there a reason for not sharing your voting intentions with us? I think it would give us a better context for understanding your Moloch commentary. Are you offering some practical information for informing our voting choices or perhaps simply presenting a bold and general theological vector? Honestly I’d be interested in understanding your point better. Perhaps my thinking is just muddled?
Yes, I have long made it known in several venues that I intend to vote for Virgil Goode, who is a Christian (Baptist) and is supported by many fellow Christians of my aquaintance. As I refered to above, I have never been a Romney (or Obama) supporter, but for his politics, not for his religion, until I was made aware that that is perhaps, for a believer, the most important reason not to support him. So there is an alternative to the two major candidates that a Christian should feel comfortable supporting. As to his chances of winning, that says more about the condition of our society than it does his fitness for the position.
and we all know Virgil has a great chance of winning.
My friend, do you honestly believe the function of choosing leadership is merely an opportunity for you to “feel comfortable?” A vote for Mr. Goode (whoever he is, I have no clue) is a defacto vote for Obama. Sorry. No can do. But I’ll tell you what, if your confidence is in the potential of a successful run of Mr. Goode, would you consider a 1000 to 1 bet for Mr. Goode against Romney or Obama? I could seriously use the cash. Blessings.
Oh, one last thing. In the real world “chances of winning” is a pretty strong motivator. I wonder, are you an academic?
Voting for Mr. Goode is like betting on a game between the Dallas Cowboys and the New York Jets – but choosing the Miami Dolphins. The one SURE bet is that the Dolphins will not win in a football game between Dallas and NY. (I wonder why this even needs to be explained..but…sadly, I know it does!)
This isn’t about “winning.” I know that Virgil Goode has little to no chance of becoming President. This is about voting for someone I can respect and support. I am fed up with the two major parties nominating people who will be “business as usual” at best or take us further down a road we should’t even be on and then telling us we have to vote for candidate A just to stop candidate B. If more people would vote their conscience we woudn’t be in this mess in the first place. Things will not get better as long as voters continue to settle fo “the lesser of two evils,” which is still evil. No candidate is perfect, but Virgil is much closer to who I’d like to see as President than either Romney or Obama. Both of them would say anything to win this election, and I don’t believe that either would make any substantial changes to the status quo.
Joel,
I believe your logical reach is based on a faulty foundation which contains an assumption which simply is not correct. That foundation is your view, or should I say the Augustinian/Calvinist view, of depravity. It is with respect to our inability to save ourselves, not that we cannot produce relative or moral righteousness which is also part of God’s will and pleases him when it is done.
Morality is pleasing to God. It does not save, but it pleases God. The failure to discriminate between contexts results in the errant conclusion that unregenerate humans cannot do God’s will. They cannot do God’s will in saving themselves, but they can do God’s will, morally and ethically. I
All our righteousness is as filthy (menstrual) rags. God is not pleased with morality practiced by unbelievers or in this case Mormons. Romney cannot do one thing to change the level of morality in our country. That chore is given by God to only one person and that person is Jesus Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit.
Mr. Berry, I am sorry to bring this to your attention, but an election IS about winning. I know we live in an effeminate PC culture of exagerated egalitariianism in which we are not suppose to talk about the sheer horror of winning and loosing, but friend you can’t be president IF YOU DON’T WIN. And you can’t win if you are a obscure third party canidate. I appreciate naivety in children and mentally challenged folk but I am far less enamored when I discover it in grown men that ought know better. If you are any stripe of conservative, a vote for Mr. Goode is a defacto vote for Obama. Your sense of purity of motive is cold comfort in the face of another four years of Obama destruction of our national heritage and purpose. Nevertheless, vote as your conscience constrains you. Perhaps by the next election cycle you can get Mr. Goode to be known beyond his family and a handful of sycophants. Regards.
I am reminded of the Israelites, who no longer wanted God to be their King, therefore, they cried out for a king like the other nations had and they got Saul, who turned out to be a madman… Many people are saying we should vote for the lesser of the two evils, but as I stated in a blog I wrote, evil is EVIL, and I cannot bring myself to vote for either of the two candidates running for office.
Therefore, since both are enemies of the Living God, I am left to decide who I really want to lead me. Now you can call me foolish and you can say my vote is wasted, but I am voting for Jesus Christ. As far as I can see, He is the ONLY ONE who is capable of leading this country (and me) from the downfall it is headed in.
You see, we shouldn’t vote based on who is most likely to win, but rather, I will cast my vote for the One who is able to save this nation. I believe everyone can agree that neither Romney nor Obama have this nation’s best interest at heart. Each are serving their own parties and agendas, and much of what is promised will not be accomplished by either. I choose to vote for Righteousness, and I will not be responsible if an unrighteous leader is again elected, and in the end, when I go to sleep at night, I can live with my choice. Blessings!
MIss cshsowers – I doubt neither your sincerity nor honorable instinct, but we are not Israel, nor has God entered into covenant with our nation as he uniquely did with Israel. Since you state you cannot “vote for evil” and since “there is not one that doeth good, no not one,” I suppose you ought go join the nearest Amish society…and complete your withdrawl from society. No man will every be sinless enough for your vote. And by the way, with all due respect, I don’t think you will find the name Jesus Christ on the ticket, so your intention to vote for Him seems to me pious, but silly – though I do confess that as a second choice you might consider Obama… as he does seem to have a deeply abiding messianic complex.
And finally, I must add, with all candor and complete earnestness (and no malice) that your attitude, though dressed in spiritual platitudes reminds me of the early negligence of HItler by the German people who seemed to turn a blind eye to their goverment, bury their heads, and hope for the best. I hope I am wrong. Sister, while you are praying for the consumation of God’s plan, don’t forget to plow.
cshowers wrote from her heart. There’s nothing wrong with what she’s writing or doing. You have slandered her by calling her ‘silly’ and comparing her to the German Christians in Hitler’s time. I’ll be writing in again but putting in the name of someone who many would respect. Joel has made it abundantly clear that he’s not publicly endorsing anyone. BTW, your comparison of our government to Germany is misguided. The House is firmly GOP, the Senate might be, the Supreme Court has a conservative majority and Romney might win the Executive. But none of this can change the fact that we’ve always worshipped Mammon and we certainly prefer pleasure over God. GOP rule will change NONE of that. Only Jesus can. You owe cshowers an apology.
I don’t think Jesus in on the ballot this time around. If more people thought as you do, we could have yet another four years of Pres. O and ultimately be told we can’t worship Jesus freely because we might offend the Muslims.
If you think Romney is having a rough time, imaging how badly Jesus would be doing in the polls. Our problem is not who is running, but the values of the country in which they are running. At least with a smaller and less intrusive government we might have opportunity to proclaim the gospel more freely. That would be a real vote for Jesus and his kingdom.
That’s just not true, Randy. Electing Romney will give instant credibility and publicity to Mormonism, which is a Satanic counterfeit. There is not one thing to prevent us from sharing the Gospel today.